3 or 4x are you kidding us ? nothing wrong with pipe clamps. a hell of a lot cheaper than those bessey's in your herd ducks ! understand one thing all a clamp does is apply pressure. a pipe clamp can do what those fancy ones you have for at least half the price. and thats what i wanna tell someone starting out. dont be lured into high dollar clamps that dont achieve anymore ! ive been woodworking for over 50 years and you wont find one bessey in my shop, today, or ever. i got better things to spend my money on. like wood !  luv ya duckie ! 😎😍

working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.