Again to all, thanks for looking.

If people are into pockets, these may be usable on solids but no way in melemine, which is the only material I stoop to pocket.  Again, no offence to you hollers, but on solids I used to dovetail (no bloody hand job, I use a vibrator  machine)... and lately my Domino

Thanks JJ, but only a solution if you have em and find them useless.

Mokey, plagiarise, take the credit and the kudos and any shekels volunteered without prejudice... the pats on the back are less than these old shoulders can bear.

I just feel for anyone that bought these clamps with the best of intentions.

If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD