i hear what your saying Mike S it still was better than last year but the year before was really bad. there was no one there. I still had a great time there on Saturday i was there just about six hours. really took my time and did a lot of looking and asking questions to be honest i would like someday to check out other types of shows, symposiums I think they call them. like the wood turners they just had in Oregon.

Jeff Vandenberg aka "Woodsconsin"