the manhattans arent as big as cigar pens but are hefty. ive done slim lines many times,especially if your making pens for ladies. i think many prefer the bigger pens as more wood shown. ill be moving more of my projects here. i dont save my pic's so i tried just going on lj's and clicking on the pic's from my projects and hitting save to picture.from there i just loaded here.worked easy. but better than having to re shoot projects all over again.and many i no longer have in my possession. 

also i didn't mention but the pens are on a piece of the gall. it's a sort of growth that wraps around the trees limbs.

working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.