Stupid question of the week

MontyJ
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I work out of town a lot, as I am this week, and spend a lot of time wandering around aimlessly during my off time instead of hanging out in a motel room. Yesterday I was roaming the toy department at Lowes and came across a set of twist lock router bushings. Looking them over made me wonder something. If you use a bushing, does that mean the shank of the bit won’t be seated as deep into the collet? After recent…episodes shall we call it…with the router, that concerns me a bit. I can definitely see the advantage of being able to use a bushing, and wish I had known about them sooner, but am I correct? The bit wont be into the router as far?

Where are the band-aids?---Pro Libertate!

MontyJ:

It’s an excellent ‘stupid’ question – as it deals directly with 1) Safety, and 2) an inquiring mind – they are a terrible thing to waste; as there seem to be progressively few these days…

First, it’s paramount that any bit be firmly seated in the collet – all sorts of nasty things happen – there is no upside potential. Normally, I remove the collect split-nut from its retainer, then firmly seat the bit at the bottom: you can do this by simply setting the collet down on a table-top, and pushing the bit-shank down into the split-nut. My routers – PC892 & Bosch MRC23EVS – have ample room remaining between the bit-bottom and the router shaft – sometimes you do need to be concerned with bottoming-out the bit to the router shaft.

To your question, if you fully-seat the bit, add the length of the bushing collar, do you run out of cutter? Sometimes… as bits are only so long. You can ‘safely’ cheat-up the bit about a 1/4" (members, pleases jump-in here), but I wouldn’t go more than that.

My safety zone is fully-seated, and if the bit isn’t long enough (w/collar attached), I buy a new router bit that works within project requirements. Do Not take shortcuts on safety…
MJCD

In my experience, the bit should not be fully seated in the collet but should be about 1/4" from the bottom. The taper of the collet and the collet seat work together to grip the shank of the bit. Personally, I consider half the length of the shaft to be the safe zone.

Bushings are an excellent way to expand the versatility of a router. Using templates, you can really make the tool rock. By design, the bushing will limit the depth of cut slightly but if you need a deeper cut there are methods to fix that.

Certainly not a stupid question. Routers are one of the most under-utilized tools in the shop.

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Bill, I understand the danger if the bit isn’t in far enough. What’s the problem with it being in too far ? Why not put it in all the way ?

I really do appreciate the answers guys, but I’m not understanding it. Look at this link. Ignore everything but the picture. Notice how the bushing extends below the router base? If I put a bit through that bushing, I loose that amount of bit shank in the collet, correct?

Where are the band-aids?---Pro Libertate!

If the router is not designed for a fully-seated bit, the bit will seat against the shaft before the collet split-nut tries to squeeze it down (my understanding is that the collect pulls the bit in abit, as it closes around it). What results is that the collet is pulling bit against a steel shaft – this is the limit of my knowledge.

I’ve been using Sommerfeld’s rubber grommets in my routers for years – these rest on the motor-shaft end, and have the effect of prohibiting the metal-to-metal contact (there are other benefits, as well). As such, in my routers, I always have pliable rubber between my fully-seated bit and the motor shaft.
MJCD

Honestly, I’m going on what I was taught years ago. From what I understand, the design of router collets and drill chucks rely in part on pressure created by the taper at their base. By raising the bit up, maximum pressure is exerted on the entire bit shaft. For drill bits this keeps the bit from twisting, and for router bits this keeps the bit from slipping. From an experience standpoint, I’ve seen bits slip when an overly aggressive cut is taken if the bit isn’t seated properly.

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MontyJ:

Depends on how you look at it.

The bit will cut to the depth it extends past the router base. However, you can’t cut against the wood (the bushing is in the way (this is the purpose of the bushing). To achieve a full-depth cut, you would have to cut down, into the wood first. One way to achieve this is to use a removable fixture (the bushing would push against the fixture, and cut partially into the work; upon removing the fixture, you would then be starting lower in the cut – thereby making a full-depth cut: this is abit hard to express in words.
MJCD

OK, now I understand your question.

Yes, you will lose some depth of cut using a bushing because it is designed to follow a template. The template must be at least as thick as the bushing and I believe the minimum thickness is generally 1/4".

That being said, there are ways to go from template/bushing to pattern bits that will allow for greater depth of cut.

Clear as mud?

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Maybe I’m using the wrong words here. On my router there is a lock-nut that I loosen and tighten to insert or remove a bit. In the center of that lock-nut is a hole that I stick the shank of the bit into. I stick the shank of the bit into the hole and tighten the lock-nut.
Now, suppose I have a bit that cuts 1/2" deep, but I only want it to cut 1/4"…fine I use a 1/4" bushing to prevent the bit from cutting the entire 1/2". I understand that. But when I loosen the lock-nut and stick the bit shank down into the hole, it’s not going to go down into the router as far because of the bushing.

Where are the band-aids?---Pro Libertate!

The depth of cut has nothing to do with the bushing as you describe it. The bit will be centered in the bushing, so the bushing acts like a bearing to guide the bit. The depth of cut is still controlled by the router motor/base.

Bushings allow you to use templates to guide the cut. For example, letter templates are used with bushings to make signs. The bushing controls the design, not the depth.

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